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Berek (ST):
Discussion of how to run the use of charms granted by numen - how they can be used, lack of prerequisites to activate certain charms, timing of use.

Travis West:

--- Quote from: Nike 'Strikes with Falcon's Wings' Strilakos on March 15, 2016, 11:51:32 AM ---
it says you get the charm for a single use.  nothing says that use has to be the same round as the gnosis spending.  also i would say that any loss of essence for a garou get translated to loss of gnosis.

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1) In the Numen write up, it mentions using gnosis to boost a relevant stat which implies at the moment prior to rolling. Using a charm is mentioned as an alternative to the aforementioned ability. It would make sense that borrowing the charm occurs simultaneously. I also wouldn't think it appropriate to use a Heal charm, reform, materialize during rage actions. It would get silly.

2) By making it so essence isn't simply magically replaced by Gnosis to make a charm work, you prevent Garou from getting access to say... Break Reality such that a cliath can't turn the face of an elder Garou into Silver with a static challenge. Or say, a cliath metis unleashing 5 agg blasts, two~shotting and elder bsd without a chop.

Basically, charms that require essence are quite powerful, and while there are plenty of charms useful that do not, balance would be best served by clarifying this distinction. Let's remember, Garou borrowing charms from spirits are from Numen and an ELDER theurge gift.

Nike 'Slays the Patriarchy' Strilakos:
all charms require essense though, that require anything.  powerful or not.

Travis West:
False.

Brief list of Charms that do not require Essence by looking in the Core book:

Airt Sense
Materialize
Realm Sense
Reform
Cleanse the Blight
Control Electrical System
Create Fire
Create Wind
Healing
Open Moon Bridge
Peek
Shapeshift
Shatter Glass
Short Out
Swift Flight
Umbra Quake
Updraft

And much more!

Nike 'Slays the Patriarchy' Strilakos:
note my statement.  or let me rephrase it so you understand.  all charms that require anything, require essense.  even though spirits have tempers. 

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